Ep. 96: Zooming In on Kelly Dempsey’s Design and Teaching Process
Ways to reach Kelly and learn about her courses:
Online Classes (very affordable)
Transcript:
Melissa Milner 0:09
Welcome to The Teacher As... podcast. I'm your host Melissa Milner, a teacher who is painfully curious and very easily inspired. This podcast is ever changing. And I hope with each season, you find episodes that speak to you in your work as an educator. This is the fifth season of The Teacher As..., and it's exciting to see the growth in how many educators are listening. Episodes are released every other week. If you enjoy The Teacher As..., please rate it on Apple podcasts and leave a review. It helps the podcast reach more educators. Thanks for listening.
Kelly Dempsey 0:42
Hello, my name is Kelly Dempsey. I was runner up on season 14 Project Runway I grew up in Munson, MA currently living in Boston, MA, and I teach online courses and how to work with what we have already in existence and upcycle thrifted items. Yes.
Melissa Milner 0:57
So I wanted this time, please go back and listen to the other episode, my first one with Kelly. But this time, I really want to focus on your design process. And then you're planning to teach courses process because I'm sure there are parallels to teaching.
Kelly Dempsey 1:14
Absolutely. I believe it's super important. I teach people how to upcycle from thrifted items. So a lot of people that aren't familiar with going into thrift stores or shopping secondhand, might walk in and look and they'll say, oh, there's nothing good here. And how do I always find good stuff? It's not that I just have amazing luck and find good stuff. It's the way that I look at things. And mindset is very important. It could be one item and look two different ways compared to the person or the perspective looking at it, you know. So I believe that's super important. And I actually have a whole course thrift flipping one on one online that talks all about the mindset with that, which I'll go over and it's just it's very important, for sure.
Melissa Milner 1:55
So you obviously don't want to give everything that's in the course.
Kelly Dempsey 2:00
It's okay.
Melissa Milner 2:01
But what is, you know, you're going in, are you thinking, Oh, I Oh, I need a belt for this, that fanny pack. I need this or that? Is it that kind of focus? Or is it more like, I'm looking for certain colors? Or what makes me feel Ooh, like, what, what is your mindset?
Kelly Dempsey 2:19
A lot of people go in and they expect to they have an idea in their mind what they want to make. And I need a red belt. And I need leopard fabric or whatever. But it's not like a traditional fabric store where you go to your section and then you can find what you're looking for. It's completely up to the thrift God's really like what is there. So it's you can't have any expectations going in. So I know I like to make bags. And in my bags, I use belts. So I'm always looking for like fun belts. But instead of looking at something is like, Oh, this is like an old skirt. I look at everything as raw materials. Because, you know, when you deconstruct things, it's anything, you could turn it into anything. And a reason a lot of people ask, Why do you use thrifted items in your, in your designs, I always tell people, most people think that, Oh, you're taking from people that are less fortunate. But the thing that most people don't know is over 80% of all thrifted donated items actually end up in a landfill. And I don't buy like the expensive brand name stuff, you know, I might get find a cool curtain. I just made these awesome pants.
Melissa Milner 3:26
Oh my gosh, they're so cute.
Kelly Dempsey 3:27
Thank you. So like, it's like some a curtain that had like a stain on it, you know that I cut around. And it's something people would never use. But you know, people don't realize that more than half of the clothing. And the items that we wear are made from polyester plastic petroleum base, which can take 500 years to decompose in the landfill. So it's it's, it's it's like seeping into our soils. It's just sitting there and not decomposing. So, you know, I try to give it a second life, which is what I did as a kid and it's fun to sort of come full circle after Project Runway and go back to do those upcycles
Melissa Milner 4:02
Yeah, definitely. And again, in our first episode together, you did talk about, you know, your childhood, like definitely go back and listen to that. If you haven't heard that yet, because her story's amazing. And yeah, so that's, so I'm just trying to like let's put a parallel to teaching. I think, you know, if you know you need to teach a certain concept as a teacher to be thinking it can only be one way I think is sort of the message here that there are many different ways, that everything is raw material. I like that idea of the raw material, you know, and really kind of...
Kelly Dempsey 4:39
Absolutely.
Melissa Milner 4:39
Like your students sort of other raw material because they can certainly bring their own prior knowledge and you know, to some like social studies, science type concepts and they could be the raw material they could get up and teach and do fun things to teach their their classmates, but also there's so many you know, there's Talk about social studies. There's, if you have a social studies textbook, which we don't, there's online, there's there's primary sources, there's so many different raw materials to teach social studies or science or math, etc.
Kelly Dempsey 5:15
I feel like to get to like what the message you're trying to convey not you, but just as a teacher, or anyone in general, is to get to the base, like the basis of what it is and then work up from there. I just did an in person, my first in person upcycle course in Marlborough, MA last Friday, it was six hours. And we did an upcycle bag I had 12 students, 11 students, and four of them came up from out of state New Jersey for like five hours. I was like, you guys are crazy. It was amazing. So I had everybody, you know, go thrifting before they came. Found some fabric picked out a belt. And I sort of kind of felt like Tim Gunn, it was funny, because I was like, going around to each person. And like you said, you have to, you know, like the person, the raw material. Everybody had a different concept, a different idea, a different way of learning a different, you know, everything. And it's fun to sort of like, just go with the flow and work with each person and see, it's not one size fits all, like I could stand in front of the class. But I feel like some people work better in different ways. So it's nice to have that one on one time with everybody.
Melissa Milner 6:25
Yeah. Did they all know how to sew?
Kelly Dempsey 6:27
No.
Melissa Milner 6:28
Oh my gosh, talk about differentiating. Yeah.
Kelly Dempsey 6:32
That's what I said. I was like, whether you've sewn or never sewn, I like people who have never done it, because I'm self taught. So if I can do it, you know, I have a very, I mean, I did go to Mass Art for a year. But I've taught myself sewing since I was 9-10 years old. So it's it's nice to have people that are just interested in sustainability in fashion, and wanting to express their creativity. And that's, that's just fun to watch people like, because that's my favorite part of the process is creating, is taking something from my mind and then seeing it in like the 3D and holding it, you know?
Melissa Milner 7:06
Yeah
Kelly Dempsey 7:06
Watching other people experienced that as well.
Melissa Milner 7:09
I just want to go to one of these classes, and you always have it on days. I can't make it. I'm like,
Kelly Dempsey 7:13
I know. I know. So many people wanted to go and I mean, this summer.
Melissa Milner 7:18
It's tricky. It's tricky. Yeah.
Kelly Dempsey 7:20
We want to do it again. It was it was really fun.
Melissa Milner 7:22
I hope so.
Kelly Dempsey 7:23
Yeah. Maybe a different some make something different. But half the people did not associate they rented a sewing machine. And
Melissa Milner 7:30
oh, is that how it works? Where you send them so that they're able to rent? Okay.
Melissa Milner 7:34
Yep.
Kelly Dempsey 7:35
So I partner with Wayside Sewing, which is I'm a partner with Bernina sewing and they matched me up with Wayside Sewing because they're a dealer for Bernina, ya know. Oh, so they took care of all that stuff, you know, the setting up the class, the renting of the sewing machines. And then we work together with that. So they set me up with with an aide and another helper. So, you know, the people that had issues with sewing, they were able to, like, get help with that. So it's just fun to watch people just, you know, be experimentive and try something new.
Melissa Milner 8:06
Yeah, that's interesting, because I thought to myself, Oh, it'd be so overwhelming because I don't know how to sew and there'll be people there that know how to sew and then I'm sucking up all the time. It's good to know that you had like, yeah, helpers, you had helpers with you. You weren't there alone.
Kelly Dempsey 8:19
And it was cool. Because at the beginning, you know, I said, we're going to spend six hours together, we're going to be like a little family. So you know, everyone went through and introduced himself how they got into sewing. And then the people that were more educated with sewing, you know, if they were ahead on something, they went over and helped them it was really cool. It was it was like a little family day. It was fun.
Melissa Milner 8:40
That's awesome. That's amazing. I You mentioned Tim Gunn. So what about Tim Gunn's teaching when you were on season 14, and you had started your design and then Tim Gunn comes around you're not done with it yet. Tim Gunn is able to look at it have a vision from what you're saying and showing him on his on your pad he has a vision of what you sort of are going for and then he's able to be never really like tells you want to do you just ask questions mostly right as a mentor.
Kelly Dempsey 9:16
He is an amazing mentor for the fact that especially the the challenge that I won with the dumpster dive where I made a dress out of the aluminum ducking.
Melissa Milner 9:25
That was amazing!
Kelly Dempsey 9:27
It got it got featured in Marie Claire magazine, which is insane I didn't even know that was happening. But I was cutting up the aluminum ducking into little pieces and I embellished on like all over this the base of the dress that I created. And there was no way in my mind that I thought I was ever going to get that done because it just did not as someone who does this I'm like there's no way I'm gonna get this done in this time. And he was just like, looked me in the eyes. He's like, Yes, you are and it's gonna be amazing. Like, more than anything he's very like, he gives you that like when you need it. You know what I I mean that little push and I that that means a lot. So I was like, I can do this. You know what I mean?
Melissa Milner 10:05
Yeah. So the pep talk piece of the mentoring that he does absolutely. You weren't the Swapnil season were you? I was. So when he goes off on Swapnil. It's like, oh, this is when because he says, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think you had this amazing talent. I wouldn't even be bothering I'd be like, Oh, good. And I'd move on. Like, that was really interesting, too. But what about was there any point where you loved your design? And he was like, ew. I don't I'm trying to think back to the sea. I haven't rewatched the season in a while.
Kelly Dempsey 10:37
I think he'll never say he'll never judge your your vision, which I appreciate, you know, as an artist, but he if something like design aesthetic wise, which totally, you know, sometimes you're going in the wrong direction. He like you said, ask questions, like he'll really make you think like, you think these colors go good together, and then it makes you look at it. And then you're like, Well, now that you say that, you know what I mean? So he wants the thing that I like about Tim or love about Tim is that he he doesn't have favorites. He wants everybody to succeed. He, he encourages everybody in whatever, you know, they're working on to succeed. He really genuinely wants everybody you know, to do well. And, you know, it translates well, with each person. He's got a different style, you know, through that, which is nice.
Melissa Milner 11:26
Yeah. I think that's why he got so emotional with Swapnil. Cause he does he just, he's like, why aren't you like, we can't want it more than you do. Like this is...you know, exactly that was so that was hard to watch.
Kelly Dempsey 11:40
No, no, absolutely. Yeah, he does. He He does care a lot, which I appreciate. Because, you know, if it was more of like, he comes over and you're feeling like you're going to be judged. It's sort of going to stop your momentum. You know what I mean. It's important.
Melissa Milner 11:56
I think that's a good message for teachers. I think it's also an amazing message for administrators, you know, if you're coming into a classroom to observe a teacher, like to watch Tim Gunn, like, watch a season or two and watch what he does and how he does it. Because, you know, if you're coming at, boom, and it should be this way, and only this way. And this is only... the you know, I mean, I've had administrators not in the district, I am not in now, but in the past, who have been like, it's really loud in your room, the kids are loud. And I'm like, Are they on task? Are they? Like it was during a math class? I'm like, Are they talking math? Yeah, I don't care if it's loud, you know. So like the philosophy even if you have a strong philosophy going into observe a teacher, take it back, you know, and be more Tim Gunnish.
Kelly Dempsey 12:47
Yeah. Yeah. And just, I always think about it, like, how would I feel on the other side, you know, I wouldn't want to feel judged about it. Because maybe sometimes you just need a little redirection, but it's all about encouragement, because I believe we all have, you know, a gift, and we're here to inspire and help other people. And the only way to find that is through, you know, sort of showing, like showing other people how to do that. It's just being authentic. It's being yourself, you know, and, and just trying to encourage, which I think is super.
Melissa Milner 13:19
Yeah.
Kelly Dempsey 13:20
Sometimes that's all some people need is like encouragement, because maybe they don't have it elsewhere or at home, or...
Melissa Milner 13:25
it's the encouragement. And then if you're like, Tim does, you know, if it's like, oh, that's a little off track, or Ooh, those lines aren't, you know, if you're using a pattern, they should line like that kind of thing. Just, it's encouragement. And then he just asked questions. He doesn't tell. He asked questions. And I think that's super powerful, because it puts it back on. And, you know, I'm thinking about the way our math curriculum is we have, oh my gosh, I forgot the name of our new math curriculum. That's a third. It's our third year. Illustrative, we're doing Illustrative Math and it's very much like a very quick warm up. And then the kids start to work. There's no real, like, frontal lesson.
Kelly Dempsey 14:05
Yeah.
Melissa Milner 14:05
And so I've been really working hard. And it's sort of the philosophy of the program is, you don't teach it ahead of time. They jump in. there working with each other, sometimes alone, and then they share their work with another and you're walking around, and I'm really I'm last year I started doing it. When a kid's stuck. I'm asking questions. I'm like doing that more encourage and ask questions. I'll be back in a few minutes and just move on. And the bottom line is when they then this is not the only reason but the bottom line is when they go to take a standardized test, you know, when they go to take the MCAS or whatever your state does. They have to know they have to have strategies and things to try. And if you're always teaching it first, they go to take a test, they see something new and they're going to be looking at you like we didn't learn this. Like we have to teach them to see patterns and like, you know, it's a lot.
Kelly Dempsey 14:57
that. I love that and it's all about that. just doing it with your hands like, you could, like hear something and you know, but if you're not going through the motions yourself of, of doing it, it's really hard to like, actually hold on to that concept. You know what I mean?
Melissa Milner 15:13
Especially, especially in math? Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Kelly Dempsey 15:17
The most math I do is with sewing is actually a lot of math with the rulers and the measurements and the seam allowances. And I have to actually do it. That's what I say to people. And I could stand up front and tell you everything how to do something, but the best way to learn is to just start doing it. I love that.
Melissa Milner 15:34
Yep.
Kelly Dempsey 15:35
Because then you can coordinate it in your brain, you know, like your eye. It's all like, it's locking in the data, you know?
Melissa Milner 15:41
Yeah. And it's so hard for teachers to let go of control. Some teachers, it was hard for me, because I didn't want them to fail. I didn't want them to hate math. And it's like, no, no, no, they hate math because I'm upfront yapping, they lost. I lost them five minutes ago, like that's why they hate math.
Kelly Dempsey 16:02
I just saw a study that said, like, the human attention span is like less than three seconds. Now. It's, it's like if they're not doing something right away. It's I don't know if that's actually true. I saw that somewhere. But...
Melissa Milner 16:13
I wouldn't be surprised with with phones with the phones and social media, I wouldn't be surprised.
Kelly Dempsey 16:18
A lot lower. So it's sort of like right away, you gotta jump in to get them excited about it. And not, you know, if they're sitting there for 20 minutes and an intro, like you already lost them. I feel like at least me, I'm, I need to be like...
Melissa Milner 16:30
It's never 20 minutes. But that five minutes turns into 10 because they're asking questions, but it turns into 10. And then you're teaching more, it's like, no, no, I've got to... and I have to like write myself notes. Like, stop. Set the timer done. Yeah. Fantastic. So when you're planning a course, is there anything in particular that you plan out or design like, or it's just, it's just they bring the stuff and you get them started and you walk around, there's no like lesson plan or order of how you want to teach things or do things.
Kelly Dempsey 17:07
So how I started out is I made a slideshow of all a lot of my upcycle stuff like 40 different things that I've made. Because like I said, if you don't have the mindset of looking at something a certain way, then you're create creatively, you're limited in the way you think if it's, it's about expanding the way you look at things. And then you know, maybe that that shirt, they they brought turns into something bigger, you know, once they're inspired by looking at it a different way. Because, you know, they walked in, this is a shirt, this is a belt, then I showed him look at this shirt that I turned into this. And then I added this and did this. And they were like, wow, like, I could do this, right? So I really started the course out with letting them know the capabilities of the materials that they have at hand. It's really, options are endless. So really just inspiring them to look at things differently, that that was a huge part. We sort of started that. And then I let them go, you know, I gave them a step. And then let them go to their workspace. And I walked around and just made sure you know, they're each step. I just spend time with everybody one on one because...
Melissa Milner 18:15
so you you intro a step or directions anywhere or?
Kelly Dempsey 18:19
No, I just did it. You know myself. So I'm somebody, one of the maybe one of the people that isn't the best sewer, I use that as an example. And I did the step on there's just six sort of guide them to catch up a little bit.
Melissa Milner 18:33
That's a teacher move Kelly, that's a teacher move.
Kelly Dempsey 18:37
Yeah, because I was like, I don't want them to feel behind and then I'll use them and then they're gonna be more interested because they're like, the center of the demonstration. You know what I mean? So just giving special attention where it's needed. And then I'd let them go to their workspace and then walk around, see how they do and kind of go through that with the steps. I thought six hours was going to be because I have been making these bags forever, like, forever, like decades. So I can make a bag in like 40 minutes if I really sit down.
Melissa Milner 19:05
But wait, that wait, wait, wait is that including all the meticulous cutting that you do?
Kelly Dempsey 19:11
Yeah, yeah.
Melissa Milner 19:12
Still, still 40 minutes?
Kelly Dempsey 19:14
Maybe an hour tops.
Melissa Milner 19:15
Yeah, cuz I've watched your videos with all that cutting like those triangles and stuff.
Kelly Dempsey 19:20
Oh, yeah. Those little bit longer with the triangles, but you know, just showing the bag. We had six hours but I totally it's the first time I did it backwards. I totally thought we would have like three hours of nothing going on and I wouldn't have enough content to share with them. We were there like an hour later, just so they could finish their bags because I was like guys didn't drive five hours for a half finished bag like, right, done. So that's my advice. I didn't anticipate because that was my first like I said in person. All my classes are online, is the amount of time actually teaching and demonstrating something takes you know, to because to me, it's like oh, we'll do this in an hour but I was like, I didn't really,
Melissa Milner 20:02
Especially with new, new sewers. Yeah.
Kelly Dempsey 20:04
Yes, exactly. So I was happy that it actually used up, you know, the whole time and they learned so much. So I've gotten really good feedback from the course. And I definitely want to do more. So it was fun.
Melissa Milner 20:16
It's awesome. Did anybody buy a sewing machine?
Kelly Dempsey 20:20
Somebody did buy a machine.
Melissa Milner 20:21
Yeah.
Kelly Dempsey 20:22
That new people that...
Melissa Milner 20:23
Cause you get hooked, right?
Kelly Dempsey 20:24
It was a mother and a daughter, the daughter was thirteen. And she was so awesome. She had like, all these ideas in her head about her bag. And she executed it really well. And she's never sewn. And she had this cool, like matching these silvers and put a fabric over and her bag, she was done before everybody. She killed it. She was awesome.
Melissa Milner 20:46
Wow.
Kelly Dempsey 20:47
And they bought the machine. So I'm excited and hope...
Melissa Milner 20:49
That's great. Because then they can keep doing stuff.
Kelly Dempsey 20:52
Yeah.
Melissa Milner 20:53
So I just have to talk about when I was pretty young. It was like a summer course at the middle school. We called it the junior high for sewing. And I remember, I was fine with pushing the things through. But the bobbin like changing the thread and all that. What like, did you have any people for listeners out there who sew are there any, like quick fixes for getting that thread that new color threaded when you're changing thread colors or anything.
Kelly Dempsey 21:26
So the quick thing is, is buy extra bobbin, buy extra bobbins, that you can pre do with all the colors that you use, you can get like packs of 10. So then you don't have to like wind it up every single time. You have them on deck ready to go. And I have an upcycle I mean, I have a beginner sewing course, it's 70 minutes online, and you can pause it as you go. I think it's $27. But you, you pause it, you have it forever, and it has a whole pdf of all the tools I use and like the favorite brands like links to Amazon to the exact tools that I use every day, because I've been doing it for a while. And I feel like when people are starting out, they don't know where to begin. I learned that all, you know, recommendations on that. So you don't even have to think about that you just and then. And then like you said, wanting the bobbin that's on my ...that's one of my chapters in my course.
Melissa Milner 22:20
It's like 15 different things here. And then it goes here and then it goes there. And it's a good.
Kelly Dempsey 22:25
It's sort of like I always say it's like riding a bike. Like, I've been doing it so long that I don't even I can do it so fast.
Melissa Milner 22:32
Yeah.
Kelly Dempsey 22:33
It's like anything. It's anybody could do that. It's just repetition. It's just, it's like any repetition just doing it over if you just everyday if you did it five times for like, three weeks, you'd be a pro at the end of the you know what I mean? It's just getting that time to wanting to do it.
Melissa Milner 22:49
That's true. Like I watch. I think it's Couture to the Max that little boy.
Kelly Dempsey 22:55
Oh, he's so cute.
Melissa Milner 22:56
Oh my gosh. But he did a little he did a little video on how to do the thread how to put the thread in? And I'm like, if he can do it.
Kelly Dempsey 23:05
Yeah, exactly. I guess I could do it. That's a good point. Because I do a lot of I do a lot of videos online. And I show a lot of my process and making stuff. But I do want to show little, like tutorials like that. And I think I kind of overthink that because to me, I've been doing it for so long. But I'm like, I gotta just do stuff like that, you know? Yeah. People little bits of advice.
Melissa Milner 23:28
But don't take away from your courses. You want people to take the course it's so tricky.
Kelly Dempsey 23:32
It is tricky. It is tricky. I did a video that did really well. It was just three things I wish I knew before I worked with faux fur, you know, and easy little things. And that was a free video I just made social media on but that did really well. And it made me realize like that the educational videos do really well. Because as much as I want to inspire people like they you also have to give them the tools to want to do it themselves. Yeah.
Melissa Milner 23:57
Yeah. I, I just I'm very inspired when I watch your videos, because even when you're just showing stuff you've made like you're showing, you're you're you're teaching, you're always teaching I don't I think it's just natural for you. You're a natural teacher.
Kelly Dempsey 24:13
Well, thank you. I don't I never looked at myself as that because I always felt like I'm always trying to learn. So always trying to learn but then I learned all these things, and then I can share them with other people. Yeah.
Melissa Milner 24:23
Teachers, teachers are always trying to learn. Yeah, that's like what we do.
Kelly Dempsey 24:28
I never looked at it that way.
Melissa Milner 24:29
Yeah, we're lifelong learners.
Kelly Dempsey 24:31
That's true. That's true. Yeah, my brain doesn't really shut down. But it's a good thing because I
Melissa Milner 24:38
Yeah, well, you're amazing. Thank you so much. Was there anything else you wanted to talk about?
Kelly Dempsey 24:43
Well, I don't I don't know. I want to do some more in person upcycle courses. And I also got a guest instructor on my learning platform. I don't know if you saw that.
Melissa Milner 24:54
Yes, with the shoes.
Kelly Dempsey 24:57
Yeah. And she actually became good friend, she lives in MA. She works actually at Mass Eye and Ear in Quincy, she's an audiologist. But she's, uh, she DIY'd her whole wedding, and then blew up, because she recorded the whole thing and then you know, put it on the internet. And she was trying to do that full time. So I I had her on as an instructor because she is such a great teacher. She's really good at what she does. So I want to get more instructors in on the platform and sort of broaden out the you know, the topics and just get people being creative and working with their hands.
Melissa Milner 25:32
It's so exciting. And there's more about that. In the the other episode if people are interested in hearing about the whole platform.
Kelly Dempsey 25:42
Really quick. I'm going to be on a billboard in Times Square.
Melissa Milner 25:47
What??
Kelly Dempsey 25:47
In three weeks for Fashion Week with my curtain upcycle pants.
Melissa Milner 25:52
Those pants I'm telling you they're so cute.
Kelly Dempsey 25:55
I'm doing a fashion show in New York in a couple of weeks and courses.
Melissa Milner 25:59
Is it Fashion Week?
Kelly Dempsey 26:00
It's Fashion Week, but it's not my show. I'm working with like company, Supermodels Unlimited. And they do a lot of stuff for charity. And this year, it's about addiction, I think and different around that mental health. So I make some garments for them. And they walk in their show do some T shirts with like positive messages and stuff.
Melissa Milner 26:22
Yeah, wait. So so that's why you're on the Billboard because you're doing the fashion show?
Kelly Dempsey 26:26
Well, I'm doing the show. And then they I'm working with them. And then I use some I could pay for it. Or I give them my designs. So we're doing like a trade off. And I have a cool little tagline. It says like Curtains to Couture: Redefining the Future of Fashion.
Melissa Milner 26:43
Yeah.
Kelly Dempsey 26:45
And they'll be like a little QR code there. So then people walking by can scan it. And then it goes right to my Linked Tree with all my online classes. So I'm super excited. And I'm like, how am I going like really utilize this moment? Yeah, and I'm making all these clothes. I'm trying to figure out everything right now. But it's it's coming together, it'll get done.
Melissa Milner 27:02
So for people who haven't seen it, so they're like bell bottoms. But the part that would the circle with the metal is on the bottom of the pant. It's so cute.
Kelly Dempsey 27:14
Thank you. And I actually like wrote to Vogue. I was like, I just shoot my shot wherever I can, you know, because everyone the thing went viral and everyone's tagging Vogue. And I was like, I they need to do a feature on this like they need. We need more stainable stuff in the fashion industry. And it is going that way. And I'm happy to see it. But it is a fun idea. And I guess I hope I see them everywhere. I hope everybody is picking curtain pants.
Melissa Milner 27:39
Good luck with all the New York stuff. That's amazing.
Kelly Dempsey 27:41
Thank you.
Melissa Milner 27:42
What when is that happening?
Kelly Dempsey 27:43
Fashion Week, which is the first week of September?
Melissa Milner 27:46
Okay.
Kelly Dempsey 27:48
You'll see. I'll be posting about it.
Melissa Milner 27:51
Just listeners. So you understand we are recording this on August 24th, but it's not coming out until November 5. So what I'm doing is this summer, I'm recording all of my interviews ahead of time. To make it easier for myself. I can edit whenever I need to. But the recordings are done all the way through to December. So November, December. If Kelly does have some courses, she's going to share that info with me. And I'll put it on the episode page of The Teacher As... this episode page. So you could check those out. So I just again, thanks for taking the time out to talk to me.
Kelly Dempsey 28:30
Of course. I love talking to you. And it was nice to catch up. And I'm glad your summer's going well. And we'll have to chat again soon.
Melissa Milner 28:37
Definitely.
Melissa Milner 28:38
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